if it is all ultimate then we need to see some specs on 18's and 20's....like the 285/65/18 or the 285/55/20.... I would imagine some are considering those as well...
The Ultimate 'Will it Fit' Chart?
If someone, somewhere, somehow could come up with a sticky chart breaking down 'possible tire fit' by "Wheel Size", "Body Lift Needed?", "Suspension Lift Needed?", "Spacers Needed?" and "Custom Mods Needed?" those of us who aspire to go for lifts/tires may be able to quit asking about our specific setup (ahem...I have 16's, planning the BDS suspension lift, open to spacers, and am totally confused :crazy::duh
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As a bonus, does anybody have a good explanation of how height and width affect the need for spacers and lifts? too wide needs a spacer to clear the ball joint and a lift to keep from rubbing the wheel well on compression, and too tall needs a lift to keep from rubbing the wheel well on compression and spacers to keep from rubbing wheel well on turns? It looks like /75 is the beginning of spacer requirements, 275/16 and 275/17 starts to need a suspension lift, and 285+ needs both lifts? Am I on to anything here? :worried: I'll update as I can to keep bad info off the top of the thread...
Here's the information I could gather, assuming stock wheelshail:Thanks to Clayton and The Roadie!):
16"
265/75/16 - needs spacers
285/75/16 (33") - needs spacers, new wheels, suspension and body lifts, cutting/hammering to fit
17"
255/65/17 - OK w/ no lift, spacers, or mods
255/70/17 - needs upper ball joint mod, possible hammering to fit
255/75/17 - needs spacers, upper ball joint mod, possible hammering to fit
265/70/17 - needs spacers, upper ball joint mod, definite cutting/hammering to fit
285/70/17 (33") - needs spacers, new wheels, suspension and body lifts, cutting/hammering to fit
305/70/17 (34") takes all of the above, plus total dedication to being *the* tallest TB of us all. (JamesDub)
:thx:thx
... As a bonus, does anybody have a good explanation of how height and width affect the need for spacers and lifts? too wide needs a spacer to clear the ball joint and a lift to keep from rubbing the wheel well on compression, and too tall needs a lift to keep from rubbing the wheel well on compression and spacers to keep from rubbing wheel well on turns? It looks like /75 is the beginning of spacer requirements, 275/16 and 275/17 starts to need a suspension lift, and 285+ needs both lifts? Am I on to anything here? :worried: I'll update as I can to keep bad info off the top of the thread...
Here's the information I could gather, assuming stock wheels
hail:Thanks to Clayton and The Roadie!):16"
265/75/16 - needs spacers
285/75/16 (33") - needs spacers, new wheels, suspension and body lifts, cutting/hammering to fit
17"
255/65/17 - OK w/ no lift, spacers, or mods
255/70/17 - needs upper ball joint mod, possible hammering to fit
255/75/17 - needs spacers, upper ball joint mod, possible hammering to fit
265/70/17 - needs spacers, upper ball joint mod, definite cutting/hammering to fit
285/70/17 (33") - needs spacers, new wheels, suspension and body lifts, cutting/hammering to fit
305/70/17 (34") takes all of the above, plus total dedication to being *the* tallest TB of us all. (JamesDub)
:thx:thx
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In mud you don't air down, as I understand it, so it's all in the tread block design. Since trailvoys aren't good mudders, my advice if you're going to air down for sand or rocks is to have the maximum sidewall possible. Here's a pic of a Jeep with 39s on 15"
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All depends on your mission.
All depends on your mission.
I agree Envoys have a differently shaped front bumper, and it's closer to the tire. (No longer a problem for me, you know. )I was giving advice for a year to members going to 265s, and the Envoy owners said I was right, and the TBs said I was scaring them with stories of cutting they found unnecessary.
I believe the rear edge is the same, and the BFH is still necessary on both kinds.
Forgot you had a weiner dog XL. I think there are three of you now wheeling long wheelbases. (I don't count the mall cruisers who post in those other forums. :weird: )
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)I was giving advice for a year to members going to 265s, and the Envoy owners said I was right, and the TBs said I was scaring them with stories of cutting they found unnecessary.I believe the rear edge is the same, and the BFH is still necessary on both kinds.
Forgot you had a weiner dog XL. I think there are three of you now wheeling long wheelbases. (I don't count the mall cruisers who post in those other forums. :weird: )
Is there really that much defference in the 16" early models and the 17" later models? Or, have you guys just done more work with 17" wheels than the 16"? Not pointing fingers, just curious. I don't have a lift or spacers and I'll be getting a set of 255/75/16's at tax time, can't remember the name of them right now:suicide:, but I like the A/T tread that they had. If no one has done this, I'll let you guys know how they fit.Here's the information I could gather, assuming stock wheels
16"
265/75/16 - needs spacers
285/75/16 (33") - needs spacers, new wheels, suspension and body lifts, cutting/hammering to fit
17"
255/65/17 - OK w/ no lift, spacers, or mods
255/70/17 - needs upper ball joint mod, possible hammering to fit
255/75/17 - needs spacers, upper ball joint mod, possible hammering to fit
265/70/17 - needs spacers, upper ball joint mod, definite cutting/hammering to fit
:thx:thx
Ok guys shopping for new tires right now 02 envoy xl does see some moderate off-road use and has surprised me with were it will go being so low and long. I am wondering if the 255/65/17's will fit on with no major mod's, hammering the brackets and a bit of grinding on the ball joint is fine by me but no fender trimming untill I get a new bumper cover then the old one is going to be modified for running off-road it's already cracked so it will take some of the pain out of trail damage . I do plan on the bds suspension lift but not for a while yet in the summer time mayby but well it need's new tires now and the factory ones just look so small on the large truck. I know there are a few differences in the swb to the lwb trucks that's why I am asking thanks
. I do plan on the bds suspension lift but not for a while yet in the summer time mayby but well it need's new tires now and the factory ones just look so small on the large truck. I know there are a few differences in the swb to the lwb trucks that's why I am asking thanks 1 - 20 of 681 Posts
