[PAblzr]

I'm In! Send me UPS tracking number today or tomorrow.

I should wait until you post up pics of the cardboard/ foam board mock up but......

With a SWAG price of $230 + , if the delivered to my door price, including hardware, is $275 or less for an un-power coated version I will absolutly buy one, IF there is no cutting or welding or fabrication on my part required. (I am looking for a bolt-on installation.) According to my wife, I need to be able to use the bumper cover too. Drilling holes is OK though. If the price ends up being higher I will still consider it.

PayPal, money order, or old fashon paper check?

Will the vent holes for the power steering pump spell "Trailvoy Armory" or just be staggered holes as per Mosssr's design?
I already own one of your 6 cylinder oil pan skid plates. May I cut the front lip off myself or do I have to return it to you for this alteration to keep the Trailvoy Armory factory warranty in force?:laugh:

 

[PAblzr]

There may be an issue with mounting the factory tow hooks, though... put the bumper support on from the front (while the radiator part has to be put on from the bottom)... This is not doable...

There are a couple of ways I think it could be done...

Either one would require cutting the area behind the upper mounting bolt out .... and both would require cutting .... for the mounted end of the hooks...

Mike

I definatelly want some sort of front tow hook/eye and I am not willing to do any welding to my truck. Am I the kind of customer you are designing for?

May I suggest approaching the tow hook to skid plate interference from another direction? Instead of working around the factory tow hooks (which some people on this board consider to be marginal at best) have you considered incorporating a different hook or eye into your radiator shield? Or using shield mounting hardware to also mount new style hooks? Several folks in various tow hook threads have suggested they have a better idea. PM all of them and see who has progressed from "I have not actually measured, but in theory.." to "buy a pair of 2007 Ford Super Duty hooks and some Grade Eight 5/8 x 6" long bolts and drill a hole...."

A bolt on skid plate /tow hooks combination might attract customers who originally just wanted to add hooks to their hookless Envoys and TB's.

Drilling holes in the frame is not aproblem for me. Relocating my existing tow hooks is not a problem. Buying parts designed for another vehicle and adapting them to my TB is not a problem. Buying a radiator skid plate that is flawed from the start because it has to fit around OEM hooks IS a problem for me.

 

[PAblzr]

I wouldn't actually have a big problem with spacing the hooks down the 3/16" on the mounting side (solving all of this), except it looks like that will have them in space competition with the WAAG mount...

Mike

Trying to be funny part below.
WTF
All this talk of 1 degree milling errors, contact patch friction, ANSYS, grade 8 shear strength, vertical axis load deflection, and geometry of edge contact parallel to potential movement is to accomodate a grill guard I do not have ??????

How about owners of Wagg grill guards buy a spacer and/ or a new wheel for their angle grinder and bartonmd builds the rest of us a radiator shield with better geometry, more contact friction, and parallel edges w/o movement?

Just my opinion below.

Hey, seriously though. I realize Mike agreed to accomodate owners of Wagg grill guards and if he said he would he should follow thru. Plus I am very grateful that bartonmd is doing all he is for us. However from where I sit (far, far away from where the work is being done) maybe Trailvoys with aftermarket grill guards and those w/o are two different engineering challenges with two similar, but different, solutions.:undecided Mike's excellent oil pan shield comes in two versions, why not the radiator shield? Mike has already offered Zero a version w/o a radiator brace and has offered forum members with body lifts a plate that stops just in front of the radiator so why not another box that needs to be checked or left blank on the order form, [] Wagg grill guard installed?