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Now i finally found all of this info after weeks of searching, and i wanted to present this research to everyone: Hope this clears some things up...

Nav part numbers:

Newest revision LUX TNR (15800001)
Second Revision LUX TNR (15230099)
First Revision LUX TNR (10377531)

Newest revision NON-LUX TNR (15800000)
second Revision NON-LUX TNR (10379287)
First Revision NON-LUX TNR (10377287)
Alt. Revision NON-LUX TNR (15120706)

Newest Revision LUX INR (15204335)
First Revision LUX INR (5204334)
Newest Revision NON-LUX INR (15108241)

NON-BOSE TNR (trucks with UQ3/UQ5 non-Bose audio) (15811289)

LUX Amplifier numbers: (all are identical in function, they just have different part numbers)

15199992
15114445
15114454
15191601
15112662
15199884

Nav Antennas

First revision antenna (15207447)
Latest revision antenna (15135178)

LUX vs. NON-LUX
(Thanks to DURAtotheMAX from The Diesel Place)

Here is exactly how the NON-LUX and LUX amps differ and why the LUX amp sounds better than the premium amp. Sorry for my long
winded explanation...i sort of got carried away (this is the
explanation I sent to another guy that was interested in the lux amp
conversion too...except he did only the LUX amp...no TNR)!!!
So normally in an after market amp/speaker system, you have a head
unit (the radio), an amp, and speakers. The head unit sends a "low
level" signal to the amp. This low level signal varies in output
"slightly" as the volume knob is turned up or down. The amp takes this
signal and greatly amplifies it and sends the high-power, high level
signal to the speakers. When you turn up the volume knob, the "low
level" signal gets slightly more powerful and the amp then amplifies
this and you hear it as "louder sound". Follow me? If I get too
confusing at any point, just PM me or email me!! The amp also has an "amp turn
on" wire which is basically a power wire from the head unit so when
the head unit turns on, it tells the amp to turn on. Kinda like a
relay. The Bose "Premium" system works on this exact same principal.
We kinda refer to the Bose Premium amp/system as the "dumb amp",
because thats basically what it is. It sits there just like a fool and
just "makes louder" whatever is thrown at it. It does not know what it
is attached to and has no interaction with the car at all (you could
hook it up to a telephone for all it cares). This is probably where it
loses quality. The wires from the head unit probably pick up a lot of
interference because GM doesn't think and they just bundle the thin
wires right along side electrical wires etc... The stronger the audio
signal passing through the wires, the more suseptable the signal is too
interference. So, technically, the more you increase the volume, the
more interference the wires pick up. Also, you have to think about
that the "dumb" amp's "volume" (called 'gain') is always cranked to
the MAX, so when you vary the "output" from the radio, you can get a
full volume range from quiet to really loud. If the Dumb Amp's gain
was not turned up all the way, than the system would not go loud even
if you turned up the radio all the way. Follow me? Its like if you
have a water hose hooked up to a faucet and on the end of the hose you
have a variable water valve. Think of the faucet's knob as the volume
knob on the radio. And think of that valve on the end of the hose as
the "gain" control on the dumb amp. Now, if you only opened up the
valve on the end of the hose a little bit, not a lot of water will
come out no matter how wide open you turn the faucet's knob. SO... the
valve at the end of the hose has to be wide open all the time in order
for you to be able to control it (the volume/water flow) at the
faucet's (radio's) knob. This is a disadvantage because on cheaper
quality amplifiers (which the 'dumb amp' is), when the gain is cranked
up all the way, you introduce lots of distortion and quality loss even
tho the volume is not up all the way. That is why the 'dumb amp' does
not sound all that great (and like a Bose system should!!!

NOW... The lux amp works completely differently.
It is a "smart amp" in that is has a full on-board computer and DSP
(digital signal/sound processor). It is fully integrated with the
vehicle in that it communicates with everything in the vehicle over
the Class II data bus. (like a computer LAN) Now.. the head unit in
"LUX" vehicles sends a VERY low level constant signal to the amp that
does NOT change. Even when you turn the volume and play with the
fader/balance. The head unit does NOTHING to audio. It does not apply
bass or treble changes, it doesn't fade/balance it, nothing!! It just
sends a constant low level left and right (it doesn't send rear
signals) audio signal to the amp. The amp receives this and the amp's
DSP "optimizes" the sound to do whatever Bose does to it etc.. AND the
amp constantly talks to the head unit over the Class II data bus to
receive volume, fader, balance, bass, treble and mid-range
information. So, when you turn the volume knob up in a LUX vehicle,
you are not simply increasing the output of the low-level signal from
the head unit. You are sending a signal directly to the LUX amp that
says "hey turn up the volume a bit". And then the amp just increases
the output level to the speakers. Same thing with the fader, because
remember the head unit does not output separate "rear" channels. The
amp is smart enough to "make up" a rear channel (for the rear
speakers) based on the fader setting that the radio is sending it over
the Class II network. its really pretty cool how it all works! Same
thing with Bass and treble too. You press some buttons on the radio to
increase the bass and the radio says to the amp "hey, adjust your EQ
for some more bass". Running the LUX amp this way keeps the audio
signals coming from the radio at a constant low level so not a lot of
interference can come in from power wires running along side... Also,
think back to my "water faucet/hose" analogy. Its like instead of
keeping the end valve wide open and controlling flow with the faucet's
knob, you are doing the opposite. You are keeping the audio signal low
and constant while just controlling actual volume of the music with
the "gain" control on the LUX amp. AND thats why the LUX amp sounds
50 times better than the Premium, or DUMB amp!! Another nice thing
about the LUX amp is that it does not need an "amp turn on" wire or
anything because that is all done with Class II data. And you can
program a LUX amp for which vehicle it is in and it will alter the
sound processing sequences to make the sound perfect for the size
cabin it is in! (for example, it is going to have to be programmed
differently if it is in a huge cabin Escalade ESV versus a smaller
extended cab Sierra Denali (thats the only truck that gets a lux amp
from the factory...if you dont count the Escalade EXT as a truck)
 

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Thanks for putting together that list... :thumbsup:

I just installed an OEM nav in my 02 but had different part numbers from what you listed...

Mine is part# 15204334 for the radio (maybe because it's a reman the last digit is 4 instead of 5???), and the antenna came in a box labeled, #10355766... More options maybe???
 

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The Nav radios you have listed will work ,but the "LUX" amps you have listed will not work in a GMT360. They are for full size trucks and SUV's which are 8 channel amps with a dual voice coil sub in the console. Correct 6 channel Bose Class II "LUX" amps for GMT360's are: 15099842 or 15112642.
 

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thanks for this write up. i am wanting to do this mod on ours cuz our non-bose cd player is not wanting to play cds and i would like to have the nav. ne specific info u could help me with on picking which setup to go with would greatly be appericated thanks in advance.
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Nice write up. There is tons of info on this subject, its just scattered about in 3 million threads over the last two years. One thing you might consider adding to the first post is a list of the years that have LUX vs years with non-LUX. That would really make this THE definitive nav/lux thread.
 

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Nice write up. There is tons of info on this subject, its just scattered about in 3 million threads over the last two years. One thing you might consider adding to the first post is a list of the years that have LUX vs years with non-LUX. That would really make this THE definitive nav/lux thread.
I'm in the process of converting to the LUX amp. Attached link is pic of Lux amp I purchsaed from an 03 Trailblazer vs non-Lux amp in my 05 Rainier.

http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee291/turbomike87/?action=view&current=GMT360BoseAmps.jpg
 

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Nice write up. There is tons of info on this subject, its just scattered about in 3 million threads over the last two years. One thing you might consider adding to the first post is a list of the years that have LUX vs years with non-LUX. That would really make this THE definitive nav/lux thread.
LUX:
02-03 and 04's built before 11/03 will have the Bose Lux amp. Trailblazers Use RPO code "UQA" for their Bose identifier...For the 02-03 and the select 04 Trailblazers our "UQA" RPO code is the equivalent to the "Y91" RPO code on the Escalade and Tahoe Which is the "Bose Luxury Package" (LUX Model).

NON LUX:
Anything built after that has the Bose NON-LUX amp.

NOTE:
IF YOU HAVE THE LUX SYSTEM YOU NEED THE LUX NAVIGATION SETUP!

IF YOU HAVE THE NON-LUX SYSTEM YOU NEED THE NON-LUX NAVIGATION SETUP!

The two systems are NOT interchangeable if you are looking for Plug-n-Play...
 

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I installed a non lux unit in my 04 envoy and it was plug and play. Only issue I am having is that the sound is no where near as loud as it was before. Anyone have any idea why?
 

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I installed a non lux unit in my 04 envoy and it was plug and play. Only issue I am having is that the sound is no where near as loud as it was before. Anyone have any idea why?
Did your origional OEM system have Bose head unit?
 

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No, it does not say Bose anywhere on it. It is just the regular cd player with RDS.
 

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Lookingo add factory NAV to the wifes 02 sle envoy w/o bose system. IS it possible or can I add bose then NAV?
TIA
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It's not more than I wanted to know!!! :undecided
What about all those "New ones" for sale on Ebay... anyone
have a list of which ones of those are Lux vs Non-Lux???
I know my 02 Envoy has the Lux amp... and I know I can find
the older versions in Lux, but what about these newer ones...
you know... with a CD and DVD slot, that can actually play
DVDs....???? Of course for the money they are asking for those
I could go New Aftermarket system... hmmm... decisions, decisions....
 

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It's not more than I wanted to know!!! :undecided
What about all those "New ones" for sale on Ebay... anyone
have a list of which ones of those are Lux vs Non-Lux???
I know my 02 Envoy has the Lux amp... and I know I can find
the older versions in Lux, but what about these newer ones...
you know... with a CD and DVD slot, that can actually play
DVDs....???? Of course for the money they are asking for those
I could go New Aftermarket system... hmmm... decisions, decisions....
The correct NAV for your truck will only have one slot, either the NAV or CD can be used at the time. If you want DVD playing and CD while doing NAV you will need to go aftermarket.
 

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Just curious if its possible to output the display from the factory nav. to other monitors? I just ordered some headrest screens and even though i can sit in the back and drive i thought it would be neat.
 

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Pretty much every ebay add around. "works with all 2003-2006 trailblazers, envoy etc etc etc"

Just curious why 2002 is left out all the time. Ignorance? Incompatibility? I've never seen an add that says these will work with 2002's. :sadcry:
 
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