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i'm new here and i thougt i'd make an intro by telling everyone what i tow, and if i should get any aftermarket parts. I tow a 4600lb camper (dry weight) loaded with food, clothes and so on it probally pushes up around 4800lb (total guess) and i tow this about twice a year for a long trip (5 hours usually) on the highway and this past summer up and down through the moutains (nearly stalling at the top of a hill) We make maybe 1 other trip empty for servicing. Also we got a boat this past summer and it weighs about 2300lbs and i believe thats dry weight. we only towed this twice last summer, but will be towing this more often maybe 1-7 times monthly from may to september, with all this towing should i have any aftermarket things like a trans cooler or anything?
 

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You are cutting it pretty close

If im not mistaken i believe the manual says that you can tow 5,000 lbs so you should be good
 

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:tiphat Welcome :tiphat I believe the tow weight depends on what the gears are and if the truck stalls you may need a throttle body cleaning.
 

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with the weight of the camper i would invest in a tranny cooler; it will really help with your transmission temps and the longetivity of your transmission. but do you have any sway problems with the trailer; are you runing any antisway bars? that might help going through those mountains with crosswinds. you should not have any problem with the boat but that is getting heavy with the trailer but you should be able to do it safley:thumbsup:
 

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with the camper there is no major sway problems ase we are using a load distribution hitch and a sway bar, but it would be wise to get a tranny cooler, as she'll drop into passing gear and wind up to 4,000rpm on the hills, its a good engine and we always make it, but we nearly stalled because we were following a friend who was towing his camper and he just went so slow and the car got stuck in a gear and if it were to shift we would have lost all momentem and gotten stuck there.:hissy:
 

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so other than that there isn't any extras, like a tranny cooler, or heavy duty alternator and so on?
 

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Tranny Cooler is the type running through the Rad. Any bonus towing options are really what you add on.
 

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I tow a 4600lb camper (dry weight) loaded with food, clothes and so on it probally pushes up around 4800lb (total guess)
If you think your camper weighs 4800# loaded I have a bridge in Brooklyn and some swamp land in Florida for sale!
First off, every travel trailer manufacture lies about the empty weight of their units. It is just a fact of life. And the figure they told you does not include any factory or dealer installed options.

Secondly, you are carrying much, much more than 200 pounds of stuff. Water weighs 8 lbs/ gallon. If you have a 25 gal water tank there is 200 pounds! In addition to your food and clothes add propane, charcoal, bbq grill, flashlights, spare batteries, lawn furniture, tiki torches, cookware, small appliances, plates, utensils, linens, tools, toiletries, cleaning supplies, clock, first aid kit, radio and/or TV, toys, games, rain gear, and on and on.

My guess is fully loaded, ready to hit the road your camper weighs closer to 5800 or even 6000 pounds than 4800. The only way to know for certain is to have it weighed (Don't forget the tongue weight.) Do it any you will be surprised at how much you are actually pulling around.
 

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we tow with our tanks empty, and if it really is pushing that much weight our envoy is doing damn good, but i dont think we're pulling that much
 

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we tow with our tanks empty, and if it really is pushing that much weight our envoy is doing damn good, but i dont think we're pulling that much
You'd be suprised... The claimed dry weight really is a lot lower than what the things usually weigh, even completely dry... The "factory installed options" are what really raise it... A second bed, shower door upgrade from curtain, air conditioner, batteries (at 50# each), (2) 50# propane tanks, a 60# hitch assy, spare tire(s), a couple hundred pounds of dishes/pots/pans/silverware, etc...

Also remember that everything in the vehicle itself counts into the tow rating, so if you've got (4) 200# people and 200# of luggage in the trunk, you take 1000# off your tow capacity.

I will flat guarantee that you're over the rating.

Take it to a truck stop scale and weigh the whole kit and kaboodle (sp?), truck included, next time you're on the road and loaded up, and I guarantee you'll be over the GCWR (cross combined weight rating) on the door frame.

Mike
 

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well this certainly makes me wonder, i wont be able to weigh it until summer, as its stored for winter currently, but if i'm over the envoys weight limit its doing damn good for over limit, we ust the weight distribution hitch, the sway bay. Certainly interesting...:undecided
 

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As far as I know all the trucks on this platform have a trans cooler from the factory( you should be able to follow the lines from the tranny to the rad), if you are using a load distribution hitch that will double as a sway bar because you have 3 points of contact. just be careful when you load your camper to load it evenly. and if your spec weight on your trailer is 4600lbs i would say that loaded up youare well over 5500lbs. The weight from the factory spec sheet does not take into account AC or any other things that are considered optional...if you have had the trailer since new there should be a tag inside one of the cupboards that has a scaled weight on it.
 

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.... but if i'm over the envoys weight limit its doing damn good for over limit, we ust the weight distribution hitch, the sway bay. Certainly interesting...:undecided
Nobody is saying your Envoy is not a good tow vehicle. What we are saying is that every rig weighs more than you think it does and nobody puts a jar of peanut butter or a suitcase on a scale before loading it into their camper.

When I first towed with my Traillazer I was plesantly surprised at how well it handled the load. 275 HP and 275 lb ft (+) with flat curves for both and my 3.72 gearing allows me to do more than I thought I would be able to do.
 

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Actually Irish if you only have the 6cyl engine then you are way over I believe the towing on it is around 4600-4800 depending on what gears you have
 
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