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Many Jeeps aren't as comfortable offroading as the Envoy will be. Leather seats, working AC, etc. make for a different experience. Not for the extreme rock crawling and testosterone fueled carnage experience. But for expedition driving where the objective is incredible scenery and not to break stuff.
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I'm sure that I'll get in trouble for this, but I disagree that the TrailVoy platform will make for a better off-road vehicle than a Jeep. There is no lack of love for the TrailVoy platform for me -- I have one and like it a LOT -- but it just isn't as capable without considerable (and expensive) modifications, and even then, as Roadie indicated, the best use is for expedition-type trail running, not true off-road use.
Over the July 4th weekend, I had the opportunity to wheel next to a new Jeep JK (the new 4-door Jeep model that still looks like a Jeep) and its performance off-road was quite impressive. It has leather, air, all the amenities (inc. GPS) of any modern vehicle, and it can actually conquor some difficult off-road terrain.
I'll post a few pics below. These were from Disney, Oklahoma during our Crawl 4 Christ UCORA run over the July 4th weekend.
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Just for kicks, here is what I was doing (in a borrowed Jeep). TrailVoy guys have a standing invitation to wheel with me and the group :yes:
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Over the July 4th weekend, I had the opportunity to wheel next to a new Jeep JK (the new 4-door Jeep model that still looks like a Jeep) and its performance off-road was quite impressive. It has leather, air, all the amenities (inc. GPS) of any modern vehicle, and it can actually conquor some difficult off-road terrain.
I'll post a few pics below. These were from Disney, Oklahoma during our Crawl 4 Christ UCORA run over the July 4th weekend.
Just for kicks, here is what I was doing (in a borrowed Jeep). TrailVoy guys have a standing invitation to wheel with me and the group :yes:
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But I don't think anybody said it would be a 'better offroad vehicle', but rather a 'more comfortable' offroad vehicle. I don't even think The Roadie would dispute that the jeep has more clearance and be modded more to the extreme for off-road usage, but for the average non-extreme off-roader it is a more comfortable vehicle. Lets face it the most capable off-road Jeep is probably the Wrangler/CJx series, usually smaller engine, more dated suspension and drivetrain. Yes it will go places we may not be able to go, but we don't feel like we've been on a buckboard or horse at the end of the day. - And the A/C actually works and cools us off during the trip! 
Couldn't resist that last comment, my brother used to work at a Jeep dealership. He'd talk about one of the Jeeps and make references to there's Mickey Mouse and then there's Disneyland, and some of the jeeps came right out of the latter. (Referring to the a/c unit and why it wasn't working and they finally gave it to him to troubleshoot).
Couldn't resist that last comment, my brother used to work at a Jeep dealership. He'd talk about one of the Jeeps and make references to there's Mickey Mouse and then there's Disneyland, and some of the jeeps came right out of the latter. (Referring to the a/c unit and why it wasn't working and they finally gave it to him to troubleshoot).
I've wheeled with a few of these. Nice vehicles overall. The thing to note is that their frame is just as low as ours is, although their rocker panels are an extra 2-3 inches above ours (that's their main advantage in rocks). They also have much more aftermarket support simply due to the Jeep name.Over the July 4th weekend, I had the opportunity to wheel next to a new Jeep JK
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Here's a pic from last September:
Funny thing is, the guy that owned the new JK (or whatever it is) is trading his back in because he's had so many problems with it. I think he ended up getting a ZR2 Blazer. :rotfl:
That was me, and I didn't actually have that look (or feeling). I had already done the same obstacle the day before and knew that I could easily walk it.
What I am doing is concentrating on my spotter, who needed to have very precise tire placement for the next phase of the waterfall, which reversed the camber, and then went straight up an six foot wall (with running water).
The holding on was at the moment the Jeep was poised to go two wheels up until it flopped in the other direction. Cameras are funny things that way.
Here's another guy's attempt at the same obstacle, right after flipping the other way (he flipped a bit too far):
Here's the end of that section (another truck):
Neither of the two drivers above made it without a winch.
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Thanks, that link was exactly what I was looking for.
Well it does have the G80 :thumbsup:
But it also has the GU6 (3.42) :sadcry: that sucks.
I don't see the mileage advantage of the short gears yet; so far it gets the same as my 3.73 yukon XL 4x4
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