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I just received the November 2008 issue of Consumer Reports magazine. I was overjoyed to see that they rated SUV tires in this issue. I will be purchasing a set of tires before the snow flies, and have been researching and researching and reading all of the threads. I had decided on the Goodyear Fortera TripleTreds and was happy with my choice--until now.

After reading the article, I won't be buying them. I'll save myself a ton of money and buy the number one rated tire, despite it's one glaring weakness--tread life. Though it rated below average in the tread life rankings (it ranked the same as the TripleTred), it should still give me more than 40k of wear, and that willl be acceptable given their low price. They are also average in rolling resistance, so I won't be taking a fuel economy hit.

Oh, you want to know which ones topped the rankings in the all-season category? Surprise. The General Grabber HTS. It scored an 80, the second place tire scored a 73, and the TripleTreds came in 14th with only 63 points.

The Grabber HTS posted Excellents for Dry Braking, Wet Braking, and Handling, and Above Averages for Hydroplaning Resistance, Ride Comfort and Low Noise.

Cheap at $113 each at tirerack.com. Compare with $161 for the TripleTreds. I keep telling my kids that my CR subscription doesn't cost, it pays, and this is proof. As a bonus, Consumer Reports also rated auto batteries, windshield wipers and cordless drills in this issue.

Just my :m2:

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what did the hankooks rank? if you could give me all that info it would be good-i was just about to order them-please let me know
 

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I just received the November 2008 issue of Consumer Reports magazine. I was overjoyed to see that they rated SUV tires in this issue. I will be purchasing a set of tires before the snow flies, and have been researching and researching and reading all of the threads. I had decided on the Goodyear Fortera TripleTreds and was happy with my choice--until now.

After reading the article, I won't be buying them. I'll save myself a ton of money and buy the number one rated tire, despite it's one glaring weakness--tread life. Though it rated below average in the tread life rankings (it ranked the same as the TripleTred), it should still give me more than 40k of wear, and that willl be acceptable given their low price. They are also average in rolling resistance, so I won't be taking a fuel economy hit.

Oh, you want to know which ones topped the rankings in the all-season category? Surprise. The General Grabber HTS. It scored an 80, the second place tire scored a 73, and the TripleTreds came in 14th with only 63 points.

The Grabber HTS posted Excellents for Dry Braking, Wet Braking, and Handling, and Above Averages for Hydroplaning Resistance, Ride Comfort and Low Noise.

Cheap at $113 each at tirerack.com. Compare with $161 for the TripleTreds. I keep telling my kids that my CR subscription doesn't cost, it pays, and this is proof. As a bonus, Consumer Reports also rated auto batteries, windshield wipers and cordless drills in this issue.

Just my :m2:

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Mark, just be sure, you should check the reviews that Tire Rack does on all the tires....if both Consumer Reports and TR rate the tires about the same, then you'll have a very good idea which tire to get.
 

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I know you pay for that report, but would you mind posting the list of best to worst? I am also in the market for some tires and am curious as to how they rank in there compared to on tirerack. (specifically want to know about the firestone destination LE :thumbsup: )
 

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Well, I hope I'm not breaking any copyright law! Hopefully this is fair use. Please buy the issue to get the details. They recommend, and I agree, that not everybody "needs" the same tire, so looking at the ratings in 10 categories will enable you to choose a tire that is best in the categories that are most important to you. That said, here goes:

  1. General Grabber HTS
  2. Continental CrossContact LX
  3. Kumho Road Venture APT KL51
  4. Cooper Discoverer CTS
  5. Michelin LTX M/S
  6. Yokohama Geolander M/T-S G051
  7. Firestone Destination LE
  8. Bridgestone Dueler H/L Alenza
  9. Dayton Timberline HTII
  10. Pirelli Scorpion STR A
  11. Goodyear Wrangler SR-A
  12. Dunlop Radial Rover A/T
  13. Hankook DynaPro AS RH03
  14. Goodyear Fortera TripleTred
  15. Toyo Open Country H/T
  16. Nitto Dura Grappler Highway Terrain
  17. Dunlop Grandtrek AT20
  18. Uniroyal Laredo Cross Country
  19. BF Goodrich Rugged Trail T/A
  20. Falken Ziex S/TZ-04

Where do they get these names? Do they actually pay somebody to come up with them?

They also rated All-Terrain tires, and Winter Tires.

Again, there is so much information in this article that if you are in the market for tires, it will be well worth the magazine stand price.

Having read everything that Tirerack.com has on the TripleTreds and on many other tires as well, I can tell you that the CR ratings do not correlate well to the TireRack ratings. So that means you must decide who to believe. Since CR tries to be scientific in their tests, and goes to great pains to measure accurately, and since most of TireRack's info is anecdotal reports from owners, and since you can read the highest of praise and the harshest of criticism for the same brand/model tire on TireRack, I tend to believe that I'll get a more accurate evaluation from CR.

For example, they measured the difference in fuel economy between the tires with the best and worst rolling resistance by putting them on their Silverado test truck and measuring the actual economy on the highway--in the real world. The difference was an astounding 2.4 mpg, which translates into $300 per year if gas is $4.00 and you drive only 12,000 miles. Since I drive about 20,000 a year, choosing the right tire instead of the wrong tire could save me the price of the tires in one year!!! You just don't get this kind of information at TireRack.

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You just don't get this kind of information at TireRack.

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Personally I've read Consumer Reports for a lot of years, and it's very rare that my real life experience comes even close to their ratings for various products.

I myself would rather go by what the MAJORITY of people on someplace like TireRack would say. You are always going to have a few disgruntled people, but if you see a pattern . . .
Also I like that on Tire Rack you can search by your make/model and see what kind of experience people have had with that tire on your car
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While we are on the subject of tires and ice and snow does anybody have any input on the studless ice and snow tires? Like Bridgstone Blizzak or other brands? I always ran studded tires in Oregon and they are hard to find in the south. And yes we do get some snow and ice. :D
 

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The Consumer Reports article also reports on and rates specialized winter tires, the Blizzak and 3 or 4 others, and also tests and reports on two studded tires.

The article is well worth reading IMHO, even if you don't entirely accept their results.

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Up here in Canada, some of us use winter tires four to five months of the year. I started putting four winter tires (Michelin Alpin) on my Blazer many years ago, and the day I got my Trailblazer, I took it to my tire retailer to throw away the stock tires, install winter tires on the factory wheels and order summer tires on new wheels.

Four winter tires is hands-down the BEST upgrade I have ever made, period.

I have been driving for many many decades but I would NOT be without good modern winter tires, even on an SUV. (ESPECIALLY on an SUV, because 4-wheel drive gets you going better, but doesn't help stopping, turning or staying frame-side-down on the pavement on icy roads.)

Incidentally, I run Michelin LTX M/S on both my Trailblazer and my wife's Blazer in the summer and Michelin X-Ice Latitude in the winter. Having bought many sets of tires over four decades of driving, my basic rule of thumb from experience is that I have never owned a Goodyear I liked and I have never owned a Michelin I didn't like.

While CR may be a fine publication, THEIR priorities are not MY priorities. I highly value handling, road feel and traction and the cost to get what I want in either fuel economy or in dollars is irrelevant. (That's, by the way, why I own a Trailblazer.)

One thing though about winter tires - if you put in a lot of mileage, running winters in the winter and all-season in the summer helps extend the life of your tires, but if you don't put in a lot of miles, you don't really extend the life of your tires. Tires reach the end of their service life after a certain number of years anyway, even if the tread is not worn out. You may end up just throwing away tires with lots of tread but are still beyond their service life because the tread just gets old and starts cracking.

As you can tell, tires are REAL important to me.
 

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Any tire manufacturer can come up with a good tire once in a while, but in general (pun intended) I've not seen that overall with General tires. I tried running some of their tires a while back, and though they did pretty well when new, they quicky turned into bricks -- they cost me one car and I won't make that mistake again.

I've read a lot of CR over the years -- and I tend to agree that their tests are often somewhat contrived. In some cases, they are tests based on CR readers, who in turn are using what CR recommends -- sort of circular. I've found that ESPECIALLY true with vehicles.

Worth a read, but I trust real people in real world situations -- and for me, the "would you run this tire again?" question makes more of a difference than any other.
 

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i just wanted to say that I just ordered some Hankooks RH 07-I hope all of you are right- anyway I would recommend going to discounttiredirect.com and ordering from them--they will beat anyones price shipped to your door. Just thought I would let people know. The cheapest price I found was on onlinetires.com, but discounttiredirect beat it:m2:
 

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While CR may be a fine publication, THEIR priorities are not MY priorities....
The CR article ranks the tested tires on ten (10) different characteristics. This makes it easy to choose a tire that ranks high in the qualities that are important to you.

Whether there is validity/legitimacy/credibility in the tests that result in those rankings, however, is apparently open for debate in the minds of some. I'm not here to argue the merits or lack of merit in the CR tests or ratings. Nor am I here to sell subscriptions to CR. I was just trying to be helpful by providing information that some might find useful.

There are many of us who believe in CR and in their test procedures, and would take a scientific approach and evaluation over an off-the-cuff opinion of an unknown person or persons who might be someone who never drives more than 55 or who never made an emergency lane change in their life. Their opinion that they would buy "their" tire again is largely worthless to me because I don't know anything about them, their driving styles, or their credibility. But that's just me, and I don't denigrate those who value such opinions.

Again, I'm not trying to start a fight or a debate. For those who think the information in CR might be useful, they can check it out. For those who don't believe in CR, there is no need to bother looking at it. De gustibus non est disputandum.

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While we are on the subject of tires and ice and snow does anybody have any input on the studless ice and snow tires? Like Bridgstone Blizzak or other brands? I always ran studded tires in Oregon and they are hard to find in the south. And yes we do get some snow and ice. :D
Know people who have used Blizzacks in winter on cars and they are like night and day compared to all seasons. Would expect same on truck tires. Studs are illegal on public roadways in my state so no experience with studded ones.
 

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Personally I've read Consumer Reports for a lot of years, and it's very rare that my real life experience comes even close to their ratings for various products.
Same here. CR has some wacky results and many time it seems like the "winner" of the test won because CR took some money on the side.

Case in point: I recently bought a gas grill and read up on them on the CR website. The rated some grill you can buy at lowes fro $300 as a best buy, good at everything, blah, blah. They you can read the reviews from REAL people. This grill was hated by many of the people and some were blaming CR for wasting their money.

Another example:
When comparing a Honda (CR always rates these at the top) they will say the Honda provided decent MPGs at 26mpg overall. They will then talk about a Chevy in the same class and say it returned only 25mpg overall. Notice the difference? The way the word it makes it seem like the Chevy is so much worse.

A while back they actually posted a letter to the editor that read something like this.
If Consumer Reports did a 3 way test between a Ford, Chevy and a Toyota, a Honda would still win.
 

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As far as the TripleTreds go, I just put them on my 05 TB a few weeks ago. They stick like GLUE in the rain and my mileage has slightly improved over the stock ContiTracs. To be fair, I did have an alignment done with the new tires. Zero road noise also. The snow hasn't started flying here yet. That will be the real test.
 

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awesome, i bought the kumho APT KL51's a while back. good choice.
 

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A while back they actually posted a letter to the editor that read something like this.
If Consumer Reports did a 3 way test between a Ford, Chevy and a Toyota, a Honda would still win.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Good one! "MANY A TRUTH IS SPOKEN IN JEST"
 

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I couldn't help but notice how these clowns left out one of the best selling ATs of all time...the BFG A/T KO!
 

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:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Good one! "MANY A TRUTH IS SPOKEN IN JEST"
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That goes for a lot of publications..."Honda can do no wrong!" LOL
 
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